Comments on: On The Justice of Beating Dead Horses http://www.cpugamer.com/blog/on-the-justice-of-beating-dead-horses PC Game News, Reviews, Previews, and more. Wed, 09 May 2012 20:17:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: bjorn2404 http://www.cpugamer.com/blog/on-the-justice-of-beating-dead-horses/comment-page-1#comment-175 bjorn2404 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:23:39 +0000 http://www.2404.org/?p=1103#comment-175 While it may be silly to discuss or argue about, I don't think all games qualify as art. In fact, I'd say very few, if any, do. My thought process behind that statement stems from my strong interest in film. For example, Doom is about as much a piece of art as Fast & Furious is. They both have entertainment value but when it comes to meaning, storytelling, or being philosophical, they both fail miserably. I've yet to experience any game that comes near what Bergman or Tarkovsky (just a couple of examples) did for film. I'm glad you brought this up though, I've though about posting an article on "games as art" in the past but didn't really know if may people would understand what I was getting at. <br><br>I know you mentioned you didn't care for the Dear Esther mod much, Kyle, but the reason I was somewhat ecstatic about it was because I thought it might have been one the first times I experienced a "game" that had the potential to become extremely artistic. It wasn't a full game, and was very short, but I really enjoyed the way that the story was revealed and was hoping they'd continue development.<br><br>I'd agree with you about Ebert - he doesn't have anything to do with the game industry and really shouldn't. I occasionally agree with his opinions, like a few of his pick for the greatest films of all time, but overall I really don't trust any newspaper critic. I don't even really understand how the guy got so popular in the first place - he did the writing for a few terrible x-rated movies in the 70s but somehow maintained his credibility. I just don't get how that worked out. While it may be silly to discuss or argue about, I don't think all games qualify as art. In fact, I'd say very few, if any, do. My thought process behind that statement stems from my strong interest in film. For example, Doom is about as much a piece of art as Fast & Furious is. They both have entertainment value but when it comes to meaning, storytelling, or being philosophical, they both fail miserably. I've yet to experience any game that comes near what Bergman or Tarkovsky (just a couple of examples) did for film. I'm glad you brought this up though, I've though about posting an article on “games as art” in the past but didn't really know if may people would understand what I was getting at.

I know you mentioned you didn't care for the Dear Esther mod much, Kyle, but the reason I was somewhat ecstatic about it was because I thought it might have been one the first times I experienced a “game” that had the potential to become extremely artistic. It wasn't a full game, and was very short, but I really enjoyed the way that the story was revealed and was hoping they'd continue development.

I'd agree with you about Ebert – he doesn't have anything to do with the game industry and really shouldn't. I occasionally agree with his opinions, like a few of his pick for the greatest films of all time, but overall I really don't trust any newspaper critic. I don't even really understand how the guy got so popular in the first place – he did the writing for a few terrible x-rated movies in the 70s but somehow maintained his credibility. I just don't get how that worked out.

]]> By: bjorn2404 http://www.cpugamer.com/blog/on-the-justice-of-beating-dead-horses/comment-page-1#comment-83 bjorn2404 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:23:39 +0000 http://www.2404.org/?p=1103#comment-83 While it may be silly to discuss or argue about, I don't think all games qualify as art. In fact, I'd say very few, if any, do. My thought process behind that statement stems from my strong interest in film. For example, Doom is about as much a piece of art as Fast & Furious is. They both have entertainment value but when it comes to meaning, storytelling, or being philosophical, they both fail miserably. I've yet to experience any game that comes near what Bergman or Tarkovsky (just a couple of examples) did for film. I'm glad you brought this up though, I've though about posting an article on "games as art" in the past but didn't really know if may people would understand what I was getting at. <br><br>I know you mentioned you didn't care for the Dear Esther mod much, Kyle, but the reason I was somewhat ecstatic about it was because I thought it might have been one the first times I experienced a "game" that had the potential to become extremely artistic. It wasn't a full game, and was very short, but I really enjoyed the way that the story was revealed and was hoping they'd continue development.<br><br>I'd agree with you about Ebert - he doesn't have anything to do with the game industry and really shouldn't. I occasionally agree with his opinions, like a few of his pick for the greatest films of all time, but overall I really don't trust any newspaper critic. I don't even really understand how the guy got so popular in the first place - he did the writing for a few terrible x-rated movies in the 70s but somehow maintained his credibility. I just don't get how that worked out. While it may be silly to discuss or argue about, I don't think all games qualify as art. In fact, I'd say very few, if any, do. My thought process behind that statement stems from my strong interest in film. For example, Doom is about as much a piece of art as Fast & Furious is. They both have entertainment value but when it comes to meaning, storytelling, or being philosophical, they both fail miserably. I've yet to experience any game that comes near what Bergman or Tarkovsky (just a couple of examples) did for film. I'm glad you brought this up though, I've though about posting an article on “games as art” in the past but didn't really know if may people would understand what I was getting at.

I know you mentioned you didn't care for the Dear Esther mod much, Kyle, but the reason I was somewhat ecstatic about it was because I thought it might have been one the first times I experienced a “game” that had the potential to become extremely artistic. It wasn't a full game, and was very short, but I really enjoyed the way that the story was revealed and was hoping they'd continue development.

I'd agree with you about Ebert – he doesn't have anything to do with the game industry and really shouldn't. I occasionally agree with his opinions, like a few of his pick for the greatest films of all time, but overall I really don't trust any newspaper critic. I don't even really understand how the guy got so popular in the first place – he did the writing for a few terrible x-rated movies in the 70s but somehow maintained his credibility. I just don't get how that worked out.

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